tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post1440738360105661358..comments2024-03-06T23:03:58.379+05:30Comments on Dondus dos and donts: பெரியாரின் பெயர் ரிப்பேர் ஆகப்போவதை இனிமேலும் வீரமணியால் தடுக்கவியலாதுdondu(#11168674346665545885)http://www.blogger.com/profile/11168674346665545885noreply@blogger.comBlogger141125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-71197566886323685002010-06-26T16:21:52.125+05:302010-06-26T16:21:52.125+05:30paarpanan endraaley viyarkkum paguttarivu kazhaga ...paarpanan endraaley viyarkkum paguttarivu kazhaga kanmanigaley, arrahman' in oscar speech ninaivu paduththi paarungal. adhu ungalukku sonnadhu polavey irukkum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-3611057234365061862010-06-26T14:14:55.044+05:302010-06-26T14:14:55.044+05:30Anonymous writes:
"...to uplift the really d...Anonymous writes:<br /><br />"...to uplift the really down trodden "<br /><br />But how?<br /><br />down trodden என்பவர்கள் ஆர் முதலில்?<br /><br />அவர்கள் கூலித்தொழிலாளர்கள். அம்மாவும் அப்பாவும் விடியலில் வயலுக்கு, அல்லது, கூலி வேலைக்குச்செல்கிறார்கள். இரவில் திரும்புகிறார்கள்.<br /><br />குழந்தைகள் தங்களைத் தாங்களே கவனித்துக்கொள்கின்றன. பள்ளி செல்கின்றன பல் விளக்காமல்; குளிக்காமல். இலவச மதிய உணவுக்காக.<br /><br />வீடு திரும்பினால் அங்கே எவரும் இல்லை. என்ன படித்தார்கள் எனக்கேட்க? பள்ளியே அரசுப்பள்ளி. ஆசிரிய்ர்கள் எனப்ப்டுவோருக்கு மாசச்சம்பளம் கொடுக்க மட்டுமே அது.<br /><br />குழந்தைகள் இரவு முழுவதும் தம்மைத்தாமே கவனித்துக்கொள்ள், இரவுச்சாப்பாடு, 10 மணிக்குமேல். பின்னர் உறங்கிப்போய்விடுவர்.<br /><br />இவர்க்ள் பிறகாலத்தில் எப்பணிக்கு உகந்தவ்ர்களாவர்? கூலிவேலைக்கு மட்டுமெ. இவர்க்ளில் சிலர் அரசுப்பணிக்குச்சென்றால், அது பியூன் போன்றவைகளுக்கு மட்டும்தான்.<br /><br />கிளார்க் பணிக்குப்பரிட்சை எழுத வேண்டும். இவர்க்ளால் முடியுமா? அப்படியே எழுதினாலும் கோட்டா கொடுக்கவேண்டும். அக்கோட்டாவிலும் 1 அல்லது 2 மார்க்கில்தான் இவர்களை எடுக்கவேண்டும்.<br /><br />எடுத்தால்...அனானி, டைம்ஸ் ஆபு இந்திவாவில் இருந்து எடுத்துப்போட்டு நகையாடுவார்:<br /><br />பாருங்கள் இவர்கள் மார்க்கை?<br /><br />இப்போது சொல்லுங்கள் எங்கே உதைக்கிறது? எதைச்சரி பண்ணவேண்டும்?<br /><br />வசதிபடைத்தவர் கோட்டாவை விட்டால், அது இவர்களுக்கு எப்படிப்போய்ச் சேரும்? <br /><br />அது அவ்ர்களுக்குப் போய்ச் சேரும்! <br /><br />ஆடு நனைகிறதே என்று ஓநாய் அழத்தாம்!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-34755368402567843492010-06-26T00:02:09.289+05:302010-06-26T00:02:09.289+05:30//If you are well off now, why can't you renou...//If you are well off now, why can't you renounce your quota so that some one else from the community could get uplifted ?<br /><br />If nobody is willing to renounce quota, then how are we supposed to uplift the really down trodden ? By giving more quotas ? or forcefully removing people who have benefited from quota ?<br />//<br /><br />Quotas are temporary solution. Its results are not far reaching. The beneficiaries get lost in high society. No cascading effect to their less privleged brethren.<br /><br />If quotas are removed, what is the guarantee that the upper class hegemony wont return to Govt jobs, higher professional education? History repeats itself.<br /><br />The people who get quotas now, wont get. That means, even the percentage who are getting now, dont get; and there will be none in IIT or IIMs or IAS. <br /><br />How will you face the situation of all brahmins and bania and none others? Wasn't the scenario in pre-quota era? <br /><br />One commetator here has put up marks of IITJEE. He did not question himself why such things happen. This is in a quota era where IITs and IIMs cant get candidates to fill up quota seats.<br /><br />If you take out quotas?<br /><br />Forcefully snatch quatos from the well to do? A good idea. Although what I wrote above applies here, in govt jobs, too, let me softpeddel it and say,<br /><br />Nationalise children. Let the children of anonoymous chandiars or upper castes, and other children go to the same PSS; let them get the same nourishment; let them share the same environment. If some of them find that they cant excel in academics, at least they can know where to go; and be sure that life does not move on academic achivements only. Mathematicians cant cook, can they? <br /><br />The academically dull will become Bill Gates. The academically bright will become his servants. In a scenario of equality, everybody will be somebody.<br /><br />Can you guarantee nationalisation of children and equality of upbringing?<br /><br />As long as inequality remains, so long as quotas are a logical corollary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-49613403093946530932010-06-25T23:40:56.933+05:302010-06-25T23:40:56.933+05:30//If you are well off now, why can't you renou...//If you are well off now, why can't you renounce your quota so that some one else from the community could get uplifted ?<br />//<br /><br />Would answer that question if you need it from me!<br /><br />If I were a well-to-do man, I would bring up my children by giving them fantastic education, putting them in a fantastic school, which would take care of their personalities for more than 14 years, although my wife and I would add our bit also to enhance all social graces like icing on the cake.<br /><br />With such personality, my son would have acquired good education, wide knowledge to help have independent thinking, ideals and standards to live by. <br /><br />Time comes for a choice of career. <br />He would choose his own career, It may be anything. But the thing where he is sure he would excel and be happy with it life long. Not necessarily higher education in Indian universities.<br /><br />I would tell him, Go abroad if you decide it is there you will blossom fully in intellectual acumen and academic achievement. Father has flush of funds. Go anywhere in search of your destiny.<br /><br />By the time, he will have reached a level from which the question of quota would look COMICAL to him.<br /><br />My son would be welcome home if he wants to return. His knowledge and expertise in his chosen field would be desired. If not govt, the private walahs would pick up. If not private, he would set up his own work spot. His would be a name to reckon with. Looking back, he would wonder: why all this tamasha for quotas etc?<br /><br />In short, my answer is, if I am well-to-do, but belong to the 'SO-CALLED' low caste, I would use my money to develop the personality of my son, his self respect, his individual dignity, help him find out standards and values to live his life etc. The question of whether my son takes the quote becomes - Oh note - becomes REDUDNDANT AND IRRELEVANT. <br /><br />Dalits who have gone to USA are developing into such personalities: independent and self respecting achievers - on equal terms with everyone!<br /><br />Why not here? Think ye all.<br /><br />We must take the sting out of the tail of upper class strategem of keeping dalits mentally undeveloped - son washing toilets after father!<br /><br />It is a millennia old conspiracy which should be permanenently rooted out, thereby paving the way for new environment for dalits to grow up. செடியாய வல்வினைகளை தீர்க்கவேண்டும். நான் தந்தையென்றால் செய்வேன். <br /><br />jarfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-60451301292897968832010-06-25T14:26:57.586+05:302010-06-25T14:26:57.586+05:30//
It is highly ignorant of you to think that, onl...//<br />It is highly ignorant of you to think that, only bramins are under open quota.<br />//<br /><br />I dont think or said that only brahmins are in open quota. I know very well that there are several caste groups that come under FC category.<br /><br />But my question remains un-answered by amalan rayan joe fernando.<br /><br />If you are well off now, why can't you renounce your quota so that some one else from the community could get uplifted ?<br /><br />If nobody is willing to renounce quota, then how are we supposed to uplift the really down trodden ? By giving more quotas ? or forcefully removing people who have benefited from quota ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-84760604248588179422010-06-25T14:21:33.660+05:302010-06-25T14:21:33.660+05:30Nallan Kaththa Muthu:
It doesn't seem that An...Nallan Kaththa Muthu:<br /><br />It doesn't seem that Anon has assumed that only brahmins fall under open quota. His question is :" If you are a well to do guy and happen to fall under the quota category, will you renounce the quota benefit for your children?" Of course, the question was originally directed at JARF.தாறுமாறுhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04715128682567614601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-74208449067034835892010-06-25T13:33:23.209+05:302010-06-25T13:33:23.209+05:30//I dont have quota benefit. But if i had one, I w...//I dont have quota benefit. But if i had one, I would renounce my quota benefit and leave it to others.<br />Are you willing to do it. Is my question. <br /><br />You are the one who is running away from answering this question.//<br /><br />Who cares about your personal life, your chidren etc.? I dont care who you are. It is none of my business, nor add anything of value here.<br /><br />Tell me, <br /><br />What would you do if you were the law maker or administrator of this country ? <br /><br />How would you bring social justice to people who were discrinimated against with denial of equal opportunties, in health, environment and education, to name the essential ones now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-63158137704050622562010-06-25T13:22:37.127+05:302010-06-25T13:22:37.127+05:30////
Tell me what will you do if in a society one ...////<br />Tell me what will you do if in a society one section takes all, and the other is left with nothing.<br />//<br /><br />I dont have quota benefit. But if i had one, I would renounce my quota benefit and leave it to others.<br />Are you willing to do it. Is my question. <br /><br />You are the one who is running away from answering this question.//<br /><br />You have again dodged the question. Put yourself in place of a law maker or administrator of this country. <br /><br />What would you do? How would you bring justice to the people who were denied equal opportunities?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-90648581768092286622010-06-25T13:22:37.005+05:302010-06-25T13:22:37.005+05:30////
Tell me what will you do if in a society one ...////<br />Tell me what will you do if in a society one section takes all, and the other is left with nothing.<br />//<br /><br />I dont have quota benefit. But if i had one, I would renounce my quota benefit and leave it to others.<br />Are you willing to do it. Is my question. <br /><br />You are the one who is running away from answering this question.//<br /><br />You have again dodged the question. Put yourself in place of a law maker or administrator of this country. <br /><br />What would you do? How would you bring justice to the people who were denied equal opportunities?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-76915905118207821472010-06-25T13:19:04.941+05:302010-06-25T13:19:04.941+05:30//I am not talking about a lame child, a tribal ch...//I am not talking about a lame child, a tribal child or any third person.<br /><br />I am talking about you and your children.<br /><br />Why can't you just say that you don't need any reservation anymore as you are better off now ? is my question.<br /><br />You never answer that...but you always jump to generalizing specific questions. That is why i call you hypocrite.//<br /><br />Why do you want to talk about personal lives of commentators here? Is it the forum for such things? Why cant you come to my email to know about my personal life?<br /><br />O.K. I take that question as hypoethetical.<br /><br />If I were a father of a tribal child, I would take the opportunity of reservations. Not only that. I would egg on other tribals too, to get on to that opportunity. I would widely propogatate all about the help Government is rendering to them, and teach them how to get them.<br /><br />I would tell them 'Use it or lose it' Millenna of darkness in which you and your forefathers have lived will be dispelled. Your child will get another background in which it will bring up its own children with self respect and dignity which were denied to you and your forefathers under the debilitating circumstances. <br /><br />The reservations will help you forever change the course of your history for better. Your future generations wont be mocked at for being 'inferior brains', 'genetically fit to manuable labour' 'unfit to enter temples' 'unfit to write Indian Constitution' YOU HAVE SUFFERED, LET NOT YOUR CHILDREN SUFFER! <br /><br />Sankarachaariyaars will hve to rewrite their Hindu religion!!!<br /><br />ARISE, AWAKE OR BE EVER FALLEN!!<br /><br />Brave new world of Dignity and Merits too. <br /><br />Welcome, anaoymous chandiare to our world!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-75804508574816534962010-06-25T04:30:42.468+05:302010-06-25T04:30:42.468+05:30//Are you willing to do it. Is my question//
It i...//Are you willing to do it. Is my question//<br /><br />It is highly ignorant of you to think that, only bramins are under open quota. I am not a bramin, I come under open quota. I have no qualms about it. I don't know what makes you to assume in that way.<br /><br />Moreover, I was not educated in English medium. I am the one of the two graduates from our high school. You can imagine the school and environment for the students there. Now it is getting better.Packirisamy Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17068982360792104779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-57230133845138498322010-06-24T14:12:25.263+05:302010-06-24T14:12:25.263+05:30//
Tell me what will you do if in a society one se...//<br />Tell me what will you do if in a society one section takes all, and the other is left with nothing.<br />//<br /><br />I dont have quota benefit. But if i had one, I would renounce my quota benefit and leave it to others.<br />Are you willing to do it. Is my question. <br /><br />You are the one who is running away from answering this question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-46545983737705698192010-06-24T11:57:49.806+05:302010-06-24T11:57:49.806+05:30I am not talking about a lame child, a tribal chil...I am not talking about a lame child, a tribal child or any third person.<br /><br />I am talking about you and your children.<br /><br />Why can't you just say that you don't need any reservation anymore as you are better off now ? is my question.<br /><br />You never answer that...but you always jump to generalizing specific questions. That is why i call you hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-23405168965335618272010-06-24T04:12:09.799+05:302010-06-24T04:12:09.799+05:30//Lets be equal and compete in equal ground//
Do ...//Lets be equal and compete in equal ground//<br /><br />Do you really think you and a person living on the quota side are having equal life and education? Please open your heart and see the life of other people too. Just read the news, how many kids are suffering. There are still slaves and child labours in our country. Can you accept your own kid to suffer in that situation? We have long way to go.Packirisamy Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17068982360792104779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-46842436301436576952010-06-24T00:08:56.715+05:302010-06-24T00:08:56.715+05:30Sorry, you may not agree to disagree with me. But ...Sorry, you may not agree to disagree with me. But I agree to disagree with you.<br /><br />A tribal child and your child dont enjoy equal opportunities right from their infancies. They grow up in two different backgrounds: yours is ideal; and theirs is inimical. That child receives poor quality education poor mental and physical nourishment, and when it reaches its adolesence, it is asked to compete with your ward.<br /><br />Your ward comes off with flying colors. The tribal child falls.<br /><br />You laugh clapping: Ha..ha...my child is superior. In a contest of merits, my child has won. That tribal child lacks merits. Look...MERITS..MERITS..MERITS!<br /><br />Have you ever asked yourself: Was the contest itself fair? How can the lame child and the healthy child run a race? Why was the race needed at all?<br /><br />I am sorry anoynymous chandiar I cant accept your happiness at the fall of the tribal child. You are cruel.<br /><br />I would urge government to do something to uplift the child so that at least its progeny does not go back to the same old background.<br /><br />Enjoy yourself. I dont want to share your enjoyment. Rusi kanda poonai vidumaa? Rusi kanduvittiirkal and so, not letting it go!<br /><br />This is the basis of all my arguments for reservations: I am not going into details thereof; it may have lacunae etc. But the raison d etre remains the same.<br /><br />Not only ours, in any society which has gradations of unequal opportunities, either deliberate or nature given, there will always be a need for affirmative action.<br /><br />Certain reservations are permanent: like that to be given to Physically challenged and the women. You cant go there with your theory of merits.<br /><br />Certain reservations are temporary: once some satisfactory level is reached, they cease to be necessary: like that of caste based reservations.<br /><br />Come on: dont run away. Tell me what will you do if in a society one section takes all, and the other is left with nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-37720240902459619232010-06-23T17:25:13.231+05:302010-06-23T17:25:13.231+05:30//
If blacks or tribals or dalits are given suppor...//<br />If blacks or tribals or dalits are given support in preference to others, in order to make them come up to certain level in society, should they feel inferior to anyone? In what way? Should a dyslexia kid feel inferior to normal kid? Should a girl feel inferior to a boy? Should a woman feel inferior to man? These are a few people who are given certain preferences in certain regions of social life. <br />//<br /><br />are you black or tribal or dalit or a dislexic girl ? <br />Why do you say you need reservation. Lets be equal and compete in equal ground. <br />If you cannot accept that, don't be a whimper and proclaim your defeat to earn sympathy.<br /><br />You are the biggest hypocrite. I don't have to agree to disagree with a hypocrite. How can a sane person have agreement with a hypocrite like you ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-8599261256943603192010-06-23T16:54:11.911+05:302010-06-23T16:54:11.911+05:30Sridhar!
I got it. You want me to add all the pol...Sridhar!<br /><br />I got it. You want me to add all the politicians when I said, referring to Dondu N.Raagavan.<br /><br />”...போதையில் மூழ்கிடுவார் ஜேயைப்போல”<br /><br />I can extend the above as you said:<br /><br />"...போதையில் மூழ்கிடுவார் ஜேயைப்போல, கருனானைதியைப்போல, விகாந்த் போல, இராமாதாசைப்போல்...அன்புமணிஅயைப்போல...வீரமணையைப்போல...சிதம்பர்ததைப்போல...தங்கபாலுவைப்போல...etc."<br /><br />எல்லாரையும் போட்டு எழுதனும் ஆனா மறந்துவிடது. டோண்டு wont like the very mention of Ramadass, veeramani etc. So, lets us take such names out.<br /><br />Are you happy?<br /><br />All said and down, முட்டாள்கள் என நாம் ஆரையும் விளிக்கலாகாது. ஏனெனில், ஒவ்வொருவரும் தாங்கள் செய்யும் செயலுக்கு காரணத்தை வைத்திருக்கிறார்கள்.அவர்களுக்கு அது சரி.<br /><br />துக்ளக் தன் தலைநகரை அவுரங்காபாத்திலிருந்து துக்ளகாபாத்திருக்கு and vice versa மாற்றினான எனச் சொல்லி, அது முட்டாத்தனம் எனவும் சொல்கிறார்கள். ஆனால் சில சரித்திர ஆசிரியர்கள் அது சரியான முடிவு என்கிறார்கள். மற்றும் சிலரோ அச்செயலில் intention ஐத்தான் பார்க்கவேண்டும் என்கிறார்கள்.<br /><br />பிறரை முட்டாள் எனச்சொல்லுமுன் நாம் பலமுறை சிந்திக்க வேண்டும். <br /><br />Therefore, it would be better we dont say at all. If we dont agree with a person, lets say: We agree to disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-3044816206949103022010-06-23T15:43:41.787+05:302010-06-23T15:43:41.787+05:30//I never said brahmin has bigger brain.
I also ...//I never said brahmin has bigger brain. <br /><br />I also never said they are genetically superior. <br /><br />All of it, is what you said.<br /><br />If you want equality, earn it. Don't expect others to give it to you. //<br /><br />Very good. Now you are writing civilsed language. Respect Tamil also. <br /><br />The tenor of all that you wrote here was pointed out. You said Tamil Brahmins are everywhere in the USA achieving. <br /> <br />If someone says they are mentally dull, you have a reason to be angry, their staunch champion that you are, and roll out the list the achievements of TBs. If someone says the same to me, I wont get angry: for, I dont know how many are dull, and how many bright! I am not a champion of any caste.<br /><br />When people migrate from Tamilnadu to foreign shores, your approach should be to look at them as Tamilians or Tamil speaking Indians. You want to separate TBs from among them and highlight their performance in order to show they are greater than other Tamilians, thereby insulting others. You were rightly pulled up by Sridhar. For that, you abused him too. <br /><br />What lies behind your message is obvious: jaathi patru. While your talk on your jaathi people may be appropriate in a place where DKists converge to attack, it is inappropriate here where we discuss everything without attacking any one community as a single people. We are criticizing certain principles some hold: like politicians or a ginger group. <br /><br />// All i said was, If you say you need reservation, which means you accept that you are inferior to brahmins.//<br /><br />There you go again. This is also a racist talk. You are glorifying your jaathi people brain power. <br /><br />What do you mean by ‘inferior’ to Brahmins? Could you explain? If some group of people demands reservations, does it mean they are inferior to others who get jobs without reservations? There are umpteen reasons why one group asks for it; and other does not. Why should the asker feel inferior to the non-asker?<br /><br />If blacks or tribals or dalits are given support in preference to others, in order to make them come up to certain level in society, should they feel inferior to anyone? In what way? Should a dyslexia kid feel inferior to normal kid? Should a girl feel inferior to a boy? Should a woman feel inferior to man? These are a few people who are given certain preferences in certain regions of social life. <br /><br />// If you want equality, earn it. Don't expect others to give it to you.//<br /><br />You need to broaden your knowledge sources. The word ‘equality’ can’t be defined by you without examining it. We can’t play around with that word like lay people. Tell me what is equality? And why should that not be expected at all? Why can’t it be given by others, too? <br /><br />If a dalit comes to a tea stall, you give an unequal treatment to him. If he asks for it, you say: Don’t expect others to give it to you. You have to earn it! <br /><br />Go on and clarify that.<br /><br />I said, in my message to Sridhar, a fair contest is impossible between unequals. Can your child and the child of a tribal compete in an entrance test for higher education? The child of the tribal will definitely fail; and you will ‘superior’ to it. Correct?<br />Please think again and come up with answers which may enlighten all of us, including me. I am ready to learn from you.<br /><br /><br />// ...yourselves and your sons and daughters as you already are "potti thatting" and earning handsome amount?//<br /><br />Your usual stratagem. <br /><br />This reminds me of a quarrel between a couple. If the man feels he is being weakened in the argument, he questions the sexual morals of the woman. Generally it happens between husband and wife. ‘தேவடியா முண்டை…எவனகூட படுத்தியோ and the like. Immediately, she will stop talking. And he feels he has successfully won it; or able to gag her. DOES HE? <br /><br />You are playing that trick in the comments area, writing about the mothers, fathers, relations, personal lives of your combatants. You feel you have gagged them: DO YOU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-67319398525272148032010-06-23T15:32:20.191+05:302010-06-23T15:32:20.191+05:30JARF
//////....அப்போதையில் மூழ்கிவிடுவார் ஜெயைப்ப...JARF<br /><br />//////....அப்போதையில் மூழ்கிவிடுவார் ஜெயைப்போல.//<br /><br />Here comes the real face of JARF, he did not have the guts to name all politicians. (the full stop gives your real intention)<br />//<br /><br />The meaning of 'Power kick' is " pathavi bhothai / pughazh bhothai". My comment above tells all i wanted to say.<br /><br />the meaning of 'would not have happened' is the comment you are referring would not have come.sridharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-37601286980537997682010-06-23T14:35:49.850+05:302010-06-23T14:35:49.850+05:30//If you had the guts to include everyone who is &...//If you had the guts to include everyone who is "power kick" and if you had the guts to point out everyone who does it, my pointing out would not have happened//<br /><br />I dont understand what do you mean. What is 'power kick'? Included where? What 'everyone' does ? What would not have happened?<br /><br />If you dont fint it offensive,can I ask you to put it in Tamil please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-18088395048668390202010-06-23T13:21:13.257+05:302010-06-23T13:21:13.257+05:30JARF!
The reason why i included you in the muttal...JARF!<br /><br />The reason why i included you in the muttalgal list was for a specific mention about Je alone and not including all those who have the "power kick".<br /><br />If you had the guts to include everyone who is "power kick" and if you had the guts to point out everyone who does it, my pointing out would not have happened.sridharnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-38914328386304089712010-06-23T11:50:29.603+05:302010-06-23T11:50:29.603+05:30//Bashing a community of people, abusing them as a...//Bashing a community of people, abusing them as a commnity and attributing to them imaginary evils is RACISM.<br /><br />Equally, glorifying the same community saying they are genetically superior to others in brain power, is also RACISM.<br />//<br /><br />Fernando amalan rayan joe,<br /><br />I never said brahmin has bigger brain. <br /><br />I also never said they are genetically superior. <br /><br />All of it, is what you said.<br /><br />All i said was, If you say you need reservation, which means you accept that you are inferior to brahmins.<br /><br />Thats all.<br /><br />You never contested this COLD FACT.<br /><br />If you want equality, earn it. Don't expect others to give it to you. <br /><br />Why don't you say you don't need reservation for yourselves and your sons and daughters as you already are "potti thatting" and earning handsome amount ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-67096155847446096902010-06-23T10:49:29.098+05:302010-06-23T10:49:29.098+05:30Sridhar wrote:
"this non-sense has put you a...Sridhar wrote:<br /><br />"this non-sense has put you at par with Arul ( Muttalgal listil)"<br /><br />எது sense எது non-sense என்று எவர் முடிவு செய்வது. கூண்டிலேறி நிற்கும் இருவரும் ஒருவரை ஒருவர் முடிவு செய்து கொள்வது நகைச்சுவையில்லாமல் வேறென்ன?<br /><br />நாம் இங்கே பலகருத்துகளை வைக்கிறோம். எதிர்மறையான கருத்துகள்.<br /><br />நான் ஒன்றை ஒரு கோணத்தில் பார்க்க, நீங்கள் மறு கோணத்தில் பார்ப்பீர்கள்.<br /><br />நான் பார்பதையும் நீங்கள் பார்க்கவும் எனச்சொன்னால் என்னை முட்டாளென்பதா?<br /><br />நீங்கள் பார்ப்பதை நான் பார்க்கமாட்டேன்; நான் பார்ப்பதே சரி என்று நான் சொன்னால்தான், நான் மூர்க்கன்.<br /><br />மூர்க்கனும் முதலையும் கொண்டது விடா.<br /><br />நான் அப்படி சொன்னேனா? I just said: That is one way of interpreation and this is another way. <br /><br />Your point is: merits and a fair contest.<br /><br />My point is: a contest cant between unequals. First make the unequal person equal to you; and challenge him.<br /><br />மாறுபட்ட கருத்தைச் சொன்னவன் முட்டாளென்று சொல்வது என்ன ‘தனம்’? Sridhar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-63734518842053578742010-06-23T10:33:43.837+05:302010-06-23T10:33:43.837+05:30//சம தலத்துக்கு செல்ல வேண்டும் என்றால், முதலில் சம...//சம தலத்துக்கு செல்ல வேண்டும் என்றால், முதலில் சம காலத்துக்கு வர வேண்டும்.<br /><br />தற்போதைய தீண்டாமையை செய்பவர்களை அவர்களது தளங்ளுக்கு சென்று சாடுவீர்கள் என்று நம்புகிறேன், நம்பிக்கையே, உத்தரவு இல்லை.<br /><br />June 23, 2010 7:34 AM<br /><br />Sridhar!<br /><br />You have missed a core point in my argument for reservations.<br /><br />It is not practice of untouchability against dalits. Such a practice exist in rural areas only, that too, not as widespread as in ancient times.<br /><br />Reservations of OBCs is all that I am talking about.<br /><br />வருணக்கொள்கையின் படி, காலம்காலமாக மக்கள் தங்கள் தொழிலேயே இருந்தனர். இக்காலத்தில்தான் அக்கொள்கை காலாவதியாகிப்போனது. OBCs க்கள் தங்கள் பரம்பரை தொழில்களை விட்டுவிட்டு பட்டணத்தில் சிறக்கும் professionals களாக தங்கள் குழந்தைகளை ஆக்க விரும்ப அதற்கு அவர்கள், ஆயிரமாயிரமாண்டுகளாக அத்தொழில்களைச்செய்து வந்த பிராமணர்களின் குழந்தைகளோடு போட்டிபோட வேண்டும்.<br /><br />Just like this: You have already been taught a subject and came to sit in the exam hall. I came to sit in the same hall without being taught. You are trained and prepared. I am not.<br /><br />This is contemporary. Not living in the past. <br /><br />Your talk about untouchablity is irrelevant here.<br /><br />All that can be said in favour of brahmins is the dialogue from the Tamil feature film: ஒரே ஒரு கிராமத்திலே:<br /><br />‘அவுங்களுக்கு கொடு வேணாங்கலே. ஆனால் எங்க வயித்த்திலே ஏன் அடிக்கிறே’<br /><br />Even this dialogue is not spoken here. Here, we are against reservtions on the grounds merits will suffer, and anony chandiar says Brahmins cant be beaten in merit game. This boast of 'We- are- greater- than- you' led to paarppana thuvesham. If said in US, the Tamil brahmins will be isolated there, too, and ridiculed by fellow americans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9067462.post-56527738507617771052010-06-23T07:34:14.280+05:302010-06-23T07:34:14.280+05:30JARF.
சம தலத்துக்கு செல்ல வேண்டும் என்றால், முதலி...JARF.<br /><br />சம தலத்துக்கு செல்ல வேண்டும் என்றால், முதலில் சம காலத்துக்கு வர வேண்டும்.<br /><br />தற்போதைய தீண்டாமையை செய்பவர்களை அவர்களது தளங்ளுக்கு சென்று சாடுவீர்கள் என்று நம்புகிறேன், நம்பிக்கையே, உத்தரவு இல்லை.ஸ்ரீதர்noreply@blogger.com